PMM: Mr. Leise, as a star chef, how did you come to vegan cuisine?
Joshua Leise: I think the time is ripe for it and the demand is there. Until now, we always had a "normal" menu and a vegetarian version based on it. Now we offer two completely different menus, where nothing overlaps, except perhaps in case of the products used.
Can a star chef do without lobster or bresse chicken?
That's exactly what makes our cuisine unique. We do without the products that you can get anywhere in the world. We enjoy showing guests what you can get out of a whitefish, for example. This fish is not very well known and I find it exciting to create a surprise effect with it.
How do you choose your suppliers?
They have to be keen to work closely with us. In January, we drew up a plan with a farmer for the whole of 2023 so that he knows what has to be produced for us and when, and in what quantities. The main criterion, of course, remains the quality of the produce. What role does zero-kilometer cuisine play? We don't focus on it completely, but what goes on the plate should reflect what the region has to offer.
What are the best sellers on the menu?
We don't have a signature dish. Our menu changes regularly and no dish is offered twice. Only with the products are there repetitions: Arctic char is one of them because it's very easy to source over a long period of time. In the winter, we also offer pikeperch. I like to work with freshwater fish - it sets accents, because not many do that.
Let's get back to plant-based cuisine. Is it just a trend?
No, it's more than that. More and more people are thinking sustainably and want to eat a plant-based diet. I can't imagine that changing again. We at least plan with vegan menus for the next few years as well.
In December, the Mural surprised with an 89-euro so called "Wumms” menu. What's next?
A Flower Power menu as part of the Flower Power Festival, which will be held in Munich from March. This will be accompanied by a guided tour of the Muca Museum, where we are housed.
Where else do inspirations come from?
Often from the producers and from the products themselves. In our kitchen, the product should arrive on the plate as unadulterated as possible. So the question is, how do I prepare it so it tastes like what it is? Inspiration can also come from a snack stand; for example, we once had a köfte sandwich with kid meat from a small farmer in the region.
How cheap can a star chef cook? Would a student menu for 69 euros be conceivable?
I think we've reached the limit of what we can calculate at 89 euros. Nevertheless, we would also like to make an offer to those guests who cannot afford a classic 4-course menu. That's feasible if you do without certain luxury products.
Will you continue to offer the 4-course "Wumms” menu?
Yes, always Tuesday through Thursday, but limited to ten seats per evening.
What will the Flower Power menu look like?
This menu was created in collaboration with the Muca Museum. There is a 4-course menu including apero, wine accompaniment and amues bouches. Everything else remains a surprise. The complete package costs 230 euros and also includes a guided tour of the museum with the owner Steffi Utz.
We are very excited and thank you for the interview.
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